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DR BORGEN: Nationally, no consensus exists on what constitutes an acceptable margin with either ductal carcinoma in situ (DCIS) or invasive carcinoma. I believe it does a disservice to insist on one-millimeter margins or four-millimeter margins. For example, if you have a single duct with DCIS a millimeter or two from a margin, in my opinion that margin is okay. However, if you have a field of ducts, all of which are one millimeter from a margin, the pathology report will still read, “DCIS, one millimeter from a margin,” but the tumor burden at that margin makes it very likely that disease will be left behind. DR LOVE: How has the Oxford Overview on the effects of radiation therapy and surgery affected your view on the importance of margins and local control (Clarke 2005)? DR BORGEN: Margins always come into play, whether we’re dealing with invasive or in situ breast cancer. One of the outcomes of this overview should be that surgeons pay more attention to margins and local control so that we don’t have patients slipping through the cracks and not receiving radiation therapy. Nationally, the re-excision rates approach 50 percent, and at Memorial, almost half our patients go back for more surgery. We’re currently evaluating whether we can design a smarter operative field with preoperative MRIs. However, this is a problem because MRI is an expensive technology and not everyone has access to it. Also, the MRI can display phantoms and has a relatively high false-positive rate associated with it. The Oxford Overview raises the bar on the value of local control, which causes some concern in the national trials of partial breast radiation therapy. I’m not a naysayer. In fact, we are participating in the NSABP-B-39 trial. However, as a cautionary note, whole breast radiation now has an established track record in a meta-analysis, with proven deleterious effects among patients who did not receive whole breast radiation (1.1, 1.2). DR LOVE: Can you elaborate on how you assess margins and make decisions about whether to re-excise? DR BORGEN: We have recently changed our approach to margins. In the past, we performed a lumpectomy, either by palpation or by image guidance with a wire, and oriented that specimen in space with silk sutures. The pathologists then applied six different colors of ink to the mass that we removed. However, we have determined that this technique was not accurate. The definition of what was anterior or superior was left up to a pathologist who was not present during the surgical procedure and could not be certain.
Today when we do a lumpectomy, we shave the margins individually, intraoperatively. We place a silk suture on the new margin, on the shave, so we know that the orientation of the specimen being sent to the pathologist is correctly identified. This approach has been very successful. We’ve dropped our re-excision and positive-margin rates, and when we have to go back for a positive margin, we have been more successful in finding residual cancer.
Track 5
DR BORGEN: We have viewed tamoxifen as a highly appropriate option for treating ER-positive DCIS since the NSABP-B-24 trial (Fisher 1999). However, when we sit down and look at risks, benefits and quality-of-life issues, it’s common for our New York patients to demur, so we probably have one of the lowest percentages of patients with DCIS on tamoxifen in the country. The same can be seen in the prevention setting, in which we’ve not been successful in getting patients to take tamoxifen. DR LOVE: What are the concerns about tamoxifen in these settings? DR BORGEN: The two most obvious concerns are endometrial cancer and gynecological events. Even when we provide the raw numbers on how infrequent those events are, I believe that because we are talking about minimal, if any, impact on long-term survivorship and moderate impact on local control, it simply is not an attractive option. DR LOVE: For a postmenopausal patient with DCIS who is interested in endocrine therapy but finds tamoxifen intolerable because of side effects, do you offer an aromatase inhibitor? DR BORGEN: We’d like to have more information about DCIS and aromatase inhibitors, but since the initial publication of the ATAC data (Baum 2002), aromatase inhibitors have certainly become our endocrine therapy of choice for postmenopausal patients with ER-positive, invasive cancers. That literally happened overnight, like gangbusters, and so a “bleedover” to postmenopausal patients with DCIS is completely natural. Track 7
DR BORGEN: Aches and pains — particularly of the knees and hips — are the most common complaints. However, these are far less than the complaints we heard from patients on tamoxifen. DR LOVE: In clinical practice, what is your protocol for monitoring bone density and the use of bisphosphonates in patients on aromatase inhibitors? DR BORGEN: If we are concerned about a bone density report, we will refer the patient to an endocrinologist for further workup prior to beginning aromatase inhibitor therapy. In New York, patients are very proactive and they come into the office aware of their bone density and, if there’s a problem, they are generally already on a bisphosphonate or similar agent. DR LOVE: Have you utilized neoadjuvant aromatase inhibitors to downsize tumors in order to convert a mastectomy to a lumpectomy? DR BORGEN: Absolutely. Certainly in the older patient population we have utilized that approach. However, it’s not so much to convert a mastectomy to a lumpectomy as it is to downstage the disease. Track 7
DR BORGEN: We’re very excited about the possibility of a truly genomic approach to breast cancer. We use the Oncotype DX assay in borderline cases in which a low recurrence score would preclude cytotoxic chemotherapy (Paik 2004; Mamounas 2005). For the patient who has a larger tumor, a higher-grade tumor or other mitigating factors, we’re not using the Oncotype DX as a sole factor in precluding chemotherapy, but it’s been enormously helpful in the borderline cases.
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Editor’s Note: Patrick I Borgen, MD J Michael Dixon, MD John Mackey, MD Clifford Hudis, MD
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